A Rebuttal to Dr. Kelly Victory’s Breaking Down COVID-19

Hi Everyone, looks like misinformation doesn’t take a break so here we are watching a new video from an MD who is speaking lies and misinterpreting information about COVID-19. If you haven’t seen the video yet, don’t waste your time watching it. If you have seen the video or want to give correct information to someone sharing the video, please share the information below.

My first bit of feedback for her? Citation Needed.

  1. Disease Statistics are flawed; 45% of people are asymptomatic, 35% have symptoms that can be dealt with at home, 15% of people require treatment in a hospital, and 5% require ventilation. Of all the people who become ill roughly 5% die [link, link].
  2. For reference, flu hospitalization is 0.05% while COVID-19 hospitalization is 20% [link].
  3. The immune system is blind to this disease as it is not closely related enough to the cold coronaviruses to allow for protection [link]. An immune response is not about knowing how to treat something, it’s about recognizing something strange as a threat.
  4. Warm to high temperatures have been tested but depending on the solution the virus is in it can survive hours to days [link].
  5. Weather may have a small affect on COVID-19’s ability to spread, but not enough that social distancing and masks are not needed [link]. For a clear counter to the idea that hot weather stops COVID-19 spread just look at the US south where temperatures are reaching peaks for the year and the spread is at its highest levels yet, no second wave necessary.
  6. Just because past coronaviruses and respiratory disease have been cyclical doesn’t mean that COVID-19 will be.
  7. Comorbidities are cumulative and each one adds a factor that increases the danger of COVID-19 with age, immunocompromised status, weight, heart problems, lung problems, etc. No one status means someone with COVID-19 will die, it just shifts the odds against them and there’s no guarantee that someone without comorbidities will survive [link, link].
  8. Children are at less risk, not none and children without health problems have also developed this disease, not just those in vulnerable populations [link, link].
  9. Any area with concentrated populations such as churches, restaurants, and workplaces can lead to spreading, not just nursing homes [link]
  10. Social distancing is referenced in the bible where it is mentioned to leave the lepers by themselves to prevent the spread of leprosy [link]. A high school science experiment that showed possible effect of social distancing in 2006 but the origin of staying away from people who could be sick has early roots [link].
  11. You’re worried about masks that can’t stop a respiratory droplet but don’t let you breathe? Oxygen and carbon dioxide are roughly one million times smaller than a respiratory droplet
  12. Decreasing your immune response won’t change by wearing a mask, this is based off of a developmental idea of the immune system that has never been proven or disproved.
  13. Wearing a mask will not decrease your immune response, this idea of an unchallenged immune system (one that doesn’t see a lot of dirt, microbes, and other things) being underdeveloped is called the hygiene hypothesis and has never been fully proven or disproven [link].
  14. Surfaces are not currently a primary mode of transmission because we are cleaning them so regularly; if that were to change the chance of contracting from a surface would be increased. The primary route of transmission we can trace is people without masks being around each other, but as time passes we may get more information about other types of spread too [link].
  15. “Exposure to Children” sounds like something someone who doesn’t like kids would say.
  16. Children do not have lower virus amounts, rather they have equivalent loads compared to adults [link Adult, link Children].
  17. The immune system seems to be part of the problem in COVID because of the over-reaction that is leading to death of COVID-19 patients [link].
  18. Developing antibodies takes time [link] and is not guaranteed to stop the disease [link].
  19. For 90% of the population to have herd immunity, we’ll use current numbers on a population of 1,000 people as an example. 900 people become infected to provide herd immunity for the other 100 and from those 900, 720 people are asyptomatic or have mild symptoms, 180 people are hospitalized, 45 of the people mentioned above die.
  20. We’re not sure if the antibody response is strong enough to be protective from repeated infection over time [link].
  21. There are many, many types of vaccines and she’s only discussing a single type called an attenuated vaccine; other types just use protein, some are made from other viruses with the one you want to create a vaccine for stuck on like legos, for more details read here: link.
  22. HIV, Ebola, Norovirus, Herpes show a HUGE range of viruses and none are respiratory spreaders; mentioned Coxsackieviruses is a family of viruses that contains polio to which we do have very effective vaccines against.
  23. Hydroxychloroquine has not been shown to have any benefit across multiple studies [link].
  24. There are people without robust immune systems that fall under the umbrella label of immunocompromised. This can be because of a genetic problem, medication, an organ recipient, cancer treatment, and more. Just because they have a condition doesn’t mean they’re doomed to be home bound for the duration of the pandemic.
  25. Vitamin C does not significantly help fight colds [link].
  26. If Catholics can broadcast Easter Mass for people to watch at home, you can worship at home.
  27. At least she advocates using tissues…
  28. And then, she’s talking about not using masks again which goes against the current consensus [link].
  29. More unfounded information about using masks.
  30. The “old normal” has lead to OVER half a million deaths (543,651 lives gone across all age groups and nationalities) and a full return to normal will bring nothing but More death.

We can not just “Continue back to business”. We need to wear masks, social distance, and stay home to prevent more deaths due to COVID-19. The sooner we do this the sooner it will be safe to resume more normal activities like spending time in parks and watching baseball.

So for the love of sports, freedom, and social gatherings, don’t spread misinformation.
-Your friendly, neighborhood scientist

9 thoughts on “A Rebuttal to Dr. Kelly Victory’s Breaking Down COVID-19

  1. so just because you say you know more than everyone else we suppose to buy that bullshit—-where you get your info—bill gates, dr fauci, cdc, WHO?????? you know the liars and we will PROBABLY NEVER NEVER NEVER KNOW THE REAL TRUTH ON ANY OF IT

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  2. Your talking points, though you do offer a few reference back ups, seem to be primarily op Ed type material as well. Good try though. We are not designed to wear masks everywhere and the science is unproven. I disagree with your rebuttal.
    And….why not give me a chance to check your credentials? Dr Victory states hers, so who is really valid…I think not you!

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  3. While somewhat logical, your rebuttal is skewed and in favor of conformity rather than allowing the body to do what it does best! There have been several viruses having wreaked more havoc than the current Novel COVID-19. We didn’t succumb to masks and lockdown and shutting down of economy’s. And your bringing up the Leper’s Colonies as mentioned in Scripture is exactly in line with what she had said. You quarantine the sick, not the well. There are many good points to your arguments, as well as Dr. Victory having her points. I think if we could find where the two can meet, we would have greater success at beating this virus. CDC and the WHO have changed their viewpoints over and over, as of course being a Novel Virus, this will happen. We need to learn it. But downplaying one another isn’t the answer either. And certainly hiding away from humanity which goes against the very nature of our being isn’t the answer either. And we were not designed to wear masks, this should not and cannot be considered the new normal, because there is nothing normal about it.

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  4. So some of your links that aren’t BS main stream media websites like USA Today, are links to legitimate medical pages with big bold print right up front that says,

    “This article is a preprint and has not been peer-reviewed [what does this mean?]. It reports new medical research that has yet to be evaluated and so should not be used to guide clinical practice.”

    Shame on you for using that as legitimate information when it’s not.

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    1. I take an educated Medical Doctor
      Like Kelly Victory who has a long resume and history of dealing with outbreaks then someone that signs out “Your friendly neighborhood scientist guy”?

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      1. Dr. Victory is trained as an ER doctor, if she was saying how best to stop a bullet wound from bleeding that would be to her specialty. As her video is about epidemiology and is verifiably wrong on several points I see little problem with anyone, especially those with a background in biological sciences such as myself, bringing up evidence to prove what is actually going wrong.

        Friendly neighborhood scientist is there because I like Spiderman.

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